What to Say to Koran-Only Muslims:the Koran Verses they Can’t Say have a Different Meaning

| October 24, 2012 | Comments (0)

There are some Muslims who only accept the Koran: Thus for them the following never happened:

1.Muhammad never had sex with a 9-year-old girl,his last wife Aisha.

2.Muhammad never killed 700  Jewish men(for whatever reason) and sold their women and children into slavery.

3.And so,etc.

Another argument 100% accepted by the Koran-only Muslims

It is that all negative verses in the Koran are only for a specific time and place.For example:

1.The verse that says non-Muslims are “the worst of creatures” ONLY refers to certain non-Muslims in Muhammad’s time.The verse does NOT say they are “the worst of creatures till the end of the world“.

2.The anti-Jewish verses in the Koran are ONLY for some Jews in the time of Muhammad,it is NOT a universal curse on them for all time.

Using the Minimalist Argument,let us agree to it all

In the minimalist argument one accepts all that they believe and then see what is good or bad from what remains regarding the Koran and Islam.

To verify the Koranic citations to be cited go to quranbrowser.com, which has:

1.Six translations by Muslims.

2.Four translations by Non-Muslims.

3.The text in Arabic,with Latin letters.

http://quranbrowser.com/

Suppose a religious book said:

I,God will:

1.Create hatred and enmity

2.And it will be among black people/brown people/non-whites

3.And it will last till the End of Time/Day of Judgement“.

You would say it is intolerant,bad,racist,xenophobic.

Why?

Essentially because it is NOT about certain non-whites in a specific time and place but for non-whites till the End the Time,in generations to come,for century after century.

Or Suppose a religious book said:

I,God will:

1.Create hatred and enmity

2.And it will be among women

3.And it will last till the End of Time/Day of Judgement“.

You would say it is intolerant,bad,sexist.

Would any Muslim agree to that,I think so.The Koran commits the same error.

Case 1

Allah makes a Universal Curse on the Jews:to have Intra-Jewish Hatred till the Day of Resurrection
Here is the crime of judeophobia,xenophobia,intolerance,bigotry.

Chapter 5:64:

They (Note:the Jews) have said, “God’s hand is fettered/chained.” Fettered are their hands, and they are cursed for what they have said. No, but His hands are outspread; He expends how He will. And what has been sent down to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief;

and We(Note:Allah) have cast between them enmity and hatred, till the Day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, God will extinguish it. They hasten about the earth, to do corruption there; and God loves not the workers of corruption.”

“God’s hand is fettered/chained.”

That is what the Jews of Arabia in Muhammad’s day had said.It means:“Allah,the God of Muhammad is powerless,impotent,can not do anything.”For that reason they were cursed in chapter 5:64.

Consequence of Intra-Jewish Hatred

In one case it ultimately led to 100 million people killed in the XXth century by Communism.Communism was created by a Jew who hated Jews,by Karl Marx(1818-1883).Read:

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/02/11/allah-as-the-litteral-creator-of-evil-christiansjews-and-evil-persons/

As for the NT it says the Jews are still God’s Chosen People

Said by Paul,a Jew himself,there is no universal curse:

Romans 11:1-2:

“I ask, then: Did God reject his own people? Certainly not! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.2 God has not rejected his people, whom he chose from the beginning.”

Case 2

Another example of intolerance.

There is also a universal curse on Christians in the Koran “till the Day of Resurrection”

Ocotlan Cathedral,Mexico,around 1750

Chapter 5:14:

“And with those who say:

1.“We are Christians” We took compact; and they have forgotten a portion of that they were reminded of.

2.So We(Note:Allah) have stirred up among them enmity and hatred, till the Day of Resurrection; and God will assuredly tell them of the things they wrought.”

Case 3

In the Koran a slave is to be freed but it is conditional,it is if the master thinks he deserves it.

Chapter 24:33:

“And let those who find not the means to marry be abstinent till God enriches them of His bounty.

1.Those your right hands own (Note:slaves) who seek emancipation,

2.Contract with them accordingly(Note:make an agreement to free them)

3.If you know some good in them(Note:if the slave deserves it)

and give them of the wealth of God that He has given you. And constrain not your slave-girls to prostitution, if they desire to live in chastity, that you may seek the chance goods of the present life. Whosoever constrains them, surely God, after their being constrained, is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”

It is also made implicit in this verse:

Chapter 8:70:

“O Prophet, say:

1.To the captives (Note:people made slaves in war) in your hands:

2.“If God knows of any good in your hearts

3.He will give you better than what has been taken from you (Note:their freedom had been taken away), and He will forgive you; surely God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.” ”

“You are taking the verses out of context”

They mean to say that there is something:

1.In the 23-year career of Muhammad and/or

2.In the Muslim traditions,

That limit the existence of slavery to Muhammad’s lifetime,the for Muhammad slavery was to be gradually abolished.That is not true.We know because after Muhammad died in 632 he was succeeded by:

a)Abu Bekr,his father-in-law (ruled 632-634)

b)Omar (one of Muhammad’s generals and friends)(ruled 634-644,assasinated)

c)Othman(another of Muhammad’s friends)(ruled 644-656,assasinated)

d)Ali,the son-in-law and cousin of Muhammad,married to Fatima,Muhammad’s daughter( ruled from 656-661,and was later assasinated).

There is nothing in the documents about the friends and relatives of Muhammad that say they were for abolishing slavery,that it was only temporary,etc. The Koran-only Muslims can’t deny it.

The Koran

 

The usual counter-argument:you are being a “literalist/fundamentalist”

That is to say:

1.There is an alternative interpretation to chapters 5:14,chapters 5:64,chapter 24:33

2.Because those verses can be interpreted metaphorically.

3.To say otherwise is to commit the stupidity of literalism,fundamentalism.

The truth is that argument is wrong,anybody can see it.

Here are verses that can REALLY be interpreted Metaphorically

1.In the Koran there are verses that say Allah has body parts.

2.The Salafis believe it is literally true. For Koran-only Muslims they are  being literalists/fundamentalists.

3.They say those verses are metaphorical.But they can NOT say the same for chapters 5:14,chapters 5:64,chapter 24:33.Read

The Famous Salafis,the Sunni group that Literally believes Allah has a Face,Hands,Eyes,etc”

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/05/27/the-famous-salafisthe-sunni-group-that-literally-believes-allah-has-a-facehandseyesetc/

To continue with another example

1.The Koran says a married Muslim man also have sex with slave girls to who he is NOT married.

2.Muslims say it is not rape because in Islam it has to be consensual,if the slave girl likes the master,then he can sleep with her.

3.Using the minimalist argument(accepting it is consensual) then we still have a case of adultery.

When it is adultery and when it is not in Islam

1.Now if a married Muslim man sleeps with a free woman to who he is not married it is adultery.

2.Now if a  married Muslim man sleeps with a slave woman to who he is not married it is not  adultery.

Here are the versess that say a married Muslim man can have sex with his slave girl to who he is not married(adultery)(4 Examples)

Example 1:

It begins by Muhammad as a Example.Notice that a in other cultures a married man sleeping with a woman to who he is not married (whether she is his slave or not) would be commitng adultery.

Chapter 33:50-55:

“O Prophet, We(Note:Allah) have made lawful for you(Note:for sex):

1.Your wives who you have given their wages

2.And what your right hand owns (Note:slaves), spoils of war that God has given you,

3.And the daughters of your uncles paternal and aunts paternal, your uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for you exclusively, apart from the believers.

4.We know what We have imposed upon them touching their wives and what their right hands own (note:slaves)that there may be no fault in you; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate………………………..Thereafter women are not lawful to you(Note:for sex), neither for you to take other wives in exchange for them, though their beauty please you, except what your right hand owns (Note:slaves); God is watchful over everything.”

Slave girls

Analysis

Notice that 2 times there is a distinction of the women into 2 different groups:

a.The wives of Muhammad

b.And his female slaves,which he had got through war.

So Muhammad could sleep with a woman who was not his wife,it was not adultery,if she was his slave.

Again there is the Distinction between the Wife of Muhammad and his Slaves

“O believers, enter not the houses of the Prophet, except leave is given you for a meal, without watching for its hour. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have had the meal, disperse, neither lingering for idle talk; that is hurtful to the Prophet, and he is ashamed before you; but God is not ashamed before the truth. And when you ask his wives for any object, ask them from behind a curtain; that is cleaner for your hearts and theirs. It is not for you to hurt God’s Messenger, neither to marry his wives after him, ever; surely that would be, in God’s sight, a monstrous thing.Whether you reveal anything, or whether you conceal it, surely God has knowledge of everything.

There is no fault in the Prophet’s wives touching their fathers, their sons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons, their sisters’ sons, their women, and what their right hands own. And fear you God; surely God is witness of everything.”

Slave girls

Example 2:

Chapter 23:1-7:

“Prosperous are the believers who in their prayers are humble and from idle talk turn away and at almsgiving are active and guard their private parts(Note:for sex)

1.Save from their wives

2.And what their right hands own (Note:slaves) then they are not guilty.”

Example 3:

Chapter 4:23-24:

“Forbidden to you(Note:for sex) are:

1.Your mothers and daughters, your sisters, your aunts paternal and maternal, your brother’s daughters, your sister’s daughters, your mothers who have given suck to you, your suckling sisters, your wives’ mothers, your stepdaughters who are in your care being born of your wives you have been in to, but if you have not yet been in to them it is no fault in you,and the spouses of your sons who are of your loins, and that you should take to you two sisters together, unless it be a thing of the past; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate;

2.And wedded women,

save what your right hands own(Note:slaves).”

Slave girls in the harem

Analysis

Notice the married Muslim can sleep with his slave woman even if she is a married slave woman,married to somebody else

“So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise.”

Example 4:

“And go in fear of the chastisement of their Lord,from their Lord’s chastisement none feels secure,and guard their private parts (Note:for sex)
save:

1.From their wives

2.And what their right hands own, then not being blameworthy

but who seeks after more than that, they are the transgressors.”

 

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