About the Muslim Argument that Nisa(Arabic for Women) in Chapter 65:4 means a Man can not have Sex with a Prepubescent Wife

| July 2, 2011 | Comments (1)

I had written 2 articles about chapter 65:4 where it is argued that it says a man can have sex with his prepubescent wife,a little girl who has not yet had her first menstruation,with children in other words.

Chapter 65 of the Koran is called Al-Talaq(The Divorce)

Chapter 65:4:

“And for such of your Nisa (women) as:

1. Despair of menstruation(Note:have menopause), if you have doubt, their period (of waiting) will be 3 months.(Note:if you doubt they are really sterile,wait 3 months to see if they are pregnant)

2.And with those who have not menstruated(Note:if you doubt they really have not yet menstruated,wait 3 months to see if they are preganant).

3.And for those who are pregnant, their period (Note:of wait till the divorce)will be till they give birth.”

In Arabic it is:

“Waalla-ee ya-isna mina almaheedi min nisa-ikum ini irtabtum faAAiddatuhunna thalathatu ashhurin waalla-ee lam yahidna waolatu al-ahmali ajaluhunna an yadaAAna hamlahunna waman yattaqi Allaha yajAAal lahu min amrihi yusran”

To Verify

There are 37 translations by Muslims and non-Muslims plus the text in Arabic in Latin letters and Arabic letters:

http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/65/4/default.htm

Here are the Detailed Explanations

Article 1:

An analysis of chapter 65:4:

http://www.antisharia.com/2010/04/16/is-the-koran-in-favor-of-having-pre-puberty-wives/

Article 2:

How chapter 33:49 of the Koran confirms chapter 65:4:

http://www.antisharia.com/2010/04/29/more-on-sura-654-and-pre-puberty-wives-2/

The Argument that Islamic Law forbids a husband having sex with a Prepubescent Girl

From what I know it is true but the Koran does not say it,Muslims have to read lines between the lines.What happened was Muslim scholars were horrified at the thought and decided to forbid it.

Muhammad had sex with a 9 Year Old Girl

With his last wife Aisha.Muslims,of who the great majority believe it is true, say it was ok because she already had her first menstruation.It sometimes,but rarely, happens that a girl has a menstruation as early as 9 but the documentary evidence does not say Aisha already had her first menstruation,Muslims have to read lines between the lines to find it.

About the Use of the Arabic Word Nisa(women)

There is the claim that the Koran only uses the word Nisa to refer to mature, adult women, therefore 65:4 cannot be talking about prepubescent females. This is indeed a weak argument, which we can refute using the Koran itself.

Some Koranic Verses that use the word Nisa

It refers to the order by Pharaoh to kill all the sons of the Jews but not to kill the daughters.There is absolutely nothing that makes us think the word “women” in this context only means “daughters who are adults,not daughters who are babies”.The word “sons” is taken to mean “adult sons and infant sons”,that is the logical conclusion,nothing in the text suggests it means “only adult sons”.

Example 1:

Chapter 2:49:

“And remember, We(Note:Allah) delivered you from the people of Pharaoh,they set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons and let your Nisa live; therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.”

In Arabic it is:

“Waith najjaynakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi yuthabbihoona abnaakum wayastahyoona Nisaakum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun”

To verfiy:

Here are 37 translations of the passage from Muslims and non-Muslims,and the passage in Arabic in Latin letters and in Arabic letters.

http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/2/49/default.htm

Example 2:

Chapter 7:127:

“Said the chiefs of Pharaoh’s people: “Wilt you leave Moses and his people, to spread mischief in the land, and to abandon you and your gods?” He said: “Their sons we will slay,their Nisa we will save alive; and we have over them (power) irresistible.”

In Arabic it is:

“Waqala almalao min qawmi firawna atatharu moosa waqawmahu liyufsidoo fee alardi wayatharaka waalihataka qala sanuqattilu abnaahum wanastahyee Nisaahum wainna fawqahum qahiroona”

To verfiy:

Here are 37 translations of the passage from Muslims and non-Muslims,and the passage in Arabic in Latin letters and in Arabic letters.

http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/7/127/default.htm

Example 3:

Chapter 7:141:

“And remember we rescued you from Pharaoh’s people, who afflicted you with the worst of penalties, who slew your sons and saved alive your Nisa: in that was a momentous trial from your Lord.”

In Arabic it is:

“Waith anjaynakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi yuqattiloona abnaakum wayastahyoona Nisaakum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun”

To verfiy:

Here are 37 translations of the passage from Muslims and non-Muslims,and the passage in Arabic in Latin letters and in Arabic letters.

http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/7/141/default.htm

Example 4:

Chapter 14:6:

“Remember! Moses said to his people: “Call to mind the favour of Allah to you when He delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: they set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons, and let your Nisa live: therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.”

In Arabic it is:

“Waith qala moosa liqawmihi othkuroo niAAmata Allahi AAalaykum ith anjakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi wayuthabbihoona abnaakum wayastahyoona Nisaakum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun”

To verfiy:

Here are 37 translations of the passage from Muslims and non-Muslims,and the passage in Arabic in Latin letters and in Arabic letters.

http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/14/6/default.htm

Example 5:

Chapter 40:25:

“Now, when he came to them in Truth, from Us, they said, “Slay the sons of those who believe with him, and keep alive their Nisa,” but the plots of Unbelievers (end) in nothing but errors.”

In Arabic it is:

“Falamma jaahum bialhaqqi min AAindina qaloo oqtuloo abnaa allatheena amanoo maAAahu waistahyoo Nisaahum wama kaydu alkafireena illa fee dalalin”

To verfiy:

Here are 37 translations of the passage from Muslims and non-Muslims,and the passage in Arabic in Latin letters and in Arabic letters.

http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/40/25/default.htm

Conclusion

Again,unless there is evidence to the contrary the word Nisa or Women means the daughters of the Jews who were killed by the Pharaoh but here nisa or women is a general term that would include prepubescent daughters.Just like the Arabic word for sons in the passages by logic is a general word that includes prepuberty sons.

The Koran itself talks of Nisa(Women) and it includes Prepubescent Girls

Chapter 4:127:

“They consult you(Note:you,Muhammad) concerning Nisa(women). Say:

1.Allah gives you decree concerning them, and the Scripture which has been recited to you concerning Nisa orphans

2.And those to who you do not give that which is ordained for them(Note:you are mistreating the Nisa orphans) though you desire to marry them(Note:marry the Nisa orphans)

3.And concerning the helpless children, and that you should deal justly with orphans(Note:treat Nisa orphans here justly,they are helpless chidlren).

Whatever good you do, lo! Allah is ever Aware of it.”

In Arabic it is:

“Wayastaftoonaka fee alnnisa-i quli Allahu yufteekum feehinna wama yutla AAalaykum fee alkitabi fee yatama alnnisa-i allatee la tu/toonahunna ma kutiba lahunna watarghaboona an tankihoohunna waalmustadAAafeena mina alwildani waan taqoomoo lilyatama bialqisti wama tafAAaloo min khayrin fa-inna Allaha kana bihi AAaleeman”

To verfiy:

Here are 37 translations of the passage from Muslims and non-Muslims,and the passage in Arabic in Latin letters and in Arabic letters.

http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/4/127/default.htm

Analysis

When others asked about Nisa or women here in this context they meant “female orphans,how do we treat those nisa(women)?”.The context again is female orphans,not male orphans,so Muhammad talks about marrying female orphans,not mistreating them,even the Nisa orphans who are helpless children.Conclusion:the world Nisa does include prepubescent girls in Arabic.So chapter 65:4 has Nisa and it would not just mean adult women but little girls.

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